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Relapse doesn’t happen in a counselor’s office—it happens in the moments between. Late at night, at home, when triggers hit and support feels far away. Yet healthcare is still largely designed around episodic visits, leaving people without support when it matters most.
In this episode of the Human Resilience Podcast, hosts Bob Gold and Shelley Schoenfeld sit down with behavioral health expert Deena Cohen to explore what real-world recovery support looks like. From stigma and self-stigma to the everyday realities shaping outcomes, they unpack the gap between treatment and the continuous nature of recovery—and why engagement must extend beyond the clinical setting.
Listen and Learn:
- Why recovery requires continuous, between-visit support—not episodic care
- How stigma impacts engagement, disclosure, and outcomes
- What drives relapse risk in real-life environments
- How tools like HALT (Hungry, Angry, Lonely, Tired) help interrupt patterns
- The role of behavioral and environmental factors in recovery decisions
- Why co-occurring mental health must be addressed alongside addiction
- How consistent engagement improves honesty and long-term outcomes
Recovery isn’t a single decision—it’s a series of moments. And the systems we design must support people in those moments, not just during treatment.
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Hosts
- Bob Gold, Chief Behavioral Technologist, GoMo Health
- Shelley Schoenfeld, Chief Strategist, GoMo Health
Featured Guest
- Deena Cohen, MPA, CADC, CTTS, WTS, ATOD Prevention Specialist
